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This week we talk about our recent trip to ArtPrize in Grand Rapids, Michigan. While there we got to view a ton of awesome art, and some art that sparked a conversation both for the good and negative aspects of the art. Some would say that any conversation on art is good, but as we went along a theme kept popping up. As artist - no matter the medium which you present your art in - we are responsible for the art and the message that is conveyed by that art and are responsible for that art as well.
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Well, last week was supposed to be the return to video, but we learned after recording that my camera decided to, oh, I don't know, think of a special and turn itself off after 14 minutes of recording got too hot just because I have no idea what happened.
Speaker:No idea either.
Speaker:So we're keeping an eye on it for this recording.
Speaker:So if things seem to jump around its points, that's why.
Speaker:Um Yeah, not sure what happened there.
Speaker:But anyway, I guess this is actually the return to video and return to where my head isn't large and in charge covering the entire screen and cut off and everything else like that.
Speaker:Hopefully.
Speaker:So.
Speaker:Hi, welcome.
Speaker:I'm glad I could see everybody or you can see me again.
Speaker:Uh Still if you wanna hear Aaron do karaoke.
Speaker:No, let us know.
Speaker:Nope, y'all don't wanna.
Speaker:No.
Speaker:Yeah, let's do some Aaron karaoke.
Speaker:Mhm.
Speaker:It's only fair.
Speaker:I do karaoke too then if that happens, but we'll see, we'll see.
Speaker:Ok, I love Aaron's like, right.
Speaker:OK.
Speaker:If I'm doing it, we'll get Peter and Jonah to do it as well.
Speaker:All they do in a heartbeat.
Speaker:I know.
Speaker:They already had to do vocals in front of people anyway.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Maybe this will convince you to do vocals.
Speaker:I'm sure there's a worship leader.
Speaker:I can contact who she would be like, oh, air tune vocals.
Speaker:Ok.
Speaker:I sent her a message the other day.
Speaker:Oh, yeah, it did.
Speaker:And what was this message entailing?
Speaker:Do you, or know any, do you do any like vocal, like coaching or teaching or do you know of any like people or is there anything you'd recommend?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Well, she was all excited, wasn't she?
Speaker:Maybe what she say?
Speaker:She's like I do.
Speaker:Uh and then also said, but I also do know like other like would probably have like some like recommendations or whatever, but I was just like, hm, I don't know, thinking about it but hm.
Speaker:All right.
Speaker:I don't know, man, doesn't help right now because my voice is poopy.
Speaker:Not that it normally isn't, but you know, that's ok.
Speaker:Life goes on.
Speaker:Yes, it does.
Speaker:All right.
Speaker:So that's something to look forward to is Aaron premiering his debut song, you know, because he is doing his new group AJ and friends.
Speaker:What that mind that?
Speaker:Remember that was a joke from a couple of recording sessions ago.
Speaker:No.
Speaker:Uh I might, I had to refresh me.
Speaker:I forgot what shirt I was wearing today already.
Speaker:So, yeah, that is true.
Speaker:That is true.
Speaker:But whatever, regardless of that is.
Speaker:So it is as of this recording, the September 30th.
Speaker:Correct.
Speaker:It is second to last day of our price of our price.
Speaker:Uh, tomorrow, the first is the last day of our price.
Speaker:Hm, which is kind of interesting that we're talking about it when we were there opening day.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So our price, well, we were there on Thursday.
Speaker:We didn't necessarily go see stuff on Thursday, but we were there.
Speaker:We saw the fun, little fun like fireworks show opening up for it pretty cool.
Speaker:Which I mean, that was a pretty cool fireworks show.
Speaker:So for those of you unaware and like, wait our prize Fart Prize, what's this going on?
Speaker:What are you talking about that?
Speaker:OK.
Speaker:Art prize is an international art competition.
Speaker:And um as my coworker said, he goes, Paul, you're so cultured.
Speaker:I didn't realize that I was like, I don't know if I should take this as a compliment or not.
Speaker:I'm not 100% sure.
Speaker:Um Yeah, I was like, yes, question mark, question mark, question mark.
Speaker:Anyways.
Speaker:So we went to, this is our second time going to our prize.
Speaker:We've gone before.
Speaker:Uh the first time was five years ago.
Speaker:I looked according to photos and we went this year again.
Speaker:It was, it was, it was a fun time.
Speaker:So the first night we got there, we got there uh just in time literally for the fireworks show for the night.
Speaker:And then we kind of putz around downtown a little bit, a little bit, a little bit.
Speaker:Had the allergies just ripped me apart.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:Which then ended up with us at Myer blah, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker:Spending a ton of money on what the whatever Claritin D, whatever stuff.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Claritin D which you, if you look at the brand of Claritin D, it is quite expensive for what it is and then you buy the off brand version and the less pills you buy in the off brand, they are more expensive than the higher count.
Speaker:I did ask, I asked work about that and he said, did you check the expiration dates?
Speaker:Because he said if it's past like or either close to or past an expiration date, he said they can sell them for cheaper.
Speaker:I was like, oh, I did not check the expiration dates but the fact that all of them, not just part of them, all of them were priced that way.
Speaker:It's interesting that all that was there.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So I'm sure if we went to the main shelves they'd be the same prices.
Speaker:That's how Myra is.
Speaker:Just Myer is weird.
Speaker:I don't know.
Speaker:I'm just glad I got a lot more for a lot less.
Speaker:Fair enough.
Speaker:Um, and that's how expensive that stuff is.
Speaker:Oh, yeah, I mean, you're paying a dollar a pill for the Na Na Claritin for their Clarin brand.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:It, it gets quite expensive real quick.
Speaker:And why do you, you know, I'm sure the Claritin company once it went off of prescription was very happy.
Speaker:Mm.
Speaker:Because then they didn't have to negotiate with, you know, all those insurances that could just be like, no, what you want or you can just sell it over, over the counter, over the counter and say this is the price and everyone pays that price.
Speaker:Mm.
Speaker:So, that's money making.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:That's how it is, unfortunately.
Speaker:Mm.
Speaker:Why are you going?
Speaker:Just thieves?
Speaker:Um, just thieves.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Our prize.
Speaker:It was good time.
Speaker:Um, so, like I said, we got there just in time for fireworks night.
Speaker:Why, why are you going, got the park in the Ford parking lot with my Ford?
Speaker:Oh, yes.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Um, it was definitely one of those things of, I, I just, you know, because you saw, like, I don't know about, about you if you notice this, like, people watch all the time.
Speaker:So I'm watching as everyone else is like, there with their camera just recording the entire fireworks thing in there.
Speaker:I took two pictures the entire time of fireworks and that was it.
Speaker:And I felt bad for do even doing that because I was, because I was like, man, I just want to enjoy the moment but people were, like, sitting there going, ah, recorded the entire thing.
Speaker:It was like, no, no, no, no, that's not how the only thing I think, I wish I would have taken a picture of was the, the bridge at the finale, uh, where they had.
Speaker:Yeah, like the, I guess, I don't even know what you, what you'd call it but how they had, I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker:What is that called but where it's just like dropping, it's like a waterfall over the bridge of just the fireworks.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I don't know exactly what you called but that, that gives you, that gives you good.
Speaker:That gives you good imagery in your head of what it is.
Speaker:It literally was over the bridge and it was like a waterfall coming off the bridge.
Speaker:But those, that waterfall quote unquote was all fireworks.
Speaker:Yeah, that was dope.
Speaker:It was kind of cool.
Speaker:But you know, then that, so that was Thursday and then Friday and Saturday was spent doing art um Friday.
Speaker:We spent some time at Myer Gardens.
Speaker:We hadn't been there in five years.
Speaker:And so the last time we were there, they were still making the Japanese Gardens.
Speaker:That was cool.
Speaker:And we got to see that this time.
Speaker:You know, that was neat.
Speaker:Somehow I got my shoe stuck in my camera bag zipper.
Speaker:Don't know how I did that.
Speaker:I it was funny.
Speaker:Whatever made it happen, made life go on.
Speaker:We're good.
Speaker:Um But that, yeah, that was definitely a a thing of like, wait, what, how, how on earth.
Speaker:Um Man, then I liked the uh the face sucker pumpkins.
Speaker:Oh, yeah.
Speaker:So I was actually gonna pull that up here.
Speaker:Oh, so on my screen right now.
Speaker:There we go.
Speaker:So I, so I, I have it actually going to be recorded my screen as well so that way people can see, can see it as well.
Speaker:Yeah, the face sucker Pumpkins.
Speaker:Um, literally Pumpkins.
Speaker:That if you've ever watched the movie Aliens.
Speaker:Yeah, that's exactly what these look like.
Speaker:They look like.
Speaker:They're about to jump up, latch onto your face and suck it dry and then impregnate you with a new alien because that's what the face suckers did.
Speaker:Yeah, it is what they did.
Speaker:And they came in a multitude of colors and everything else like that.
Speaker:And we found them in multiple locations too.
Speaker:It's kind of cool.
Speaker:Yeah, they're, yeah, they're kind of all over the place, especially around the farm area.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And I talked to some of our people and they're like, I've never seen Pumpkins like that before.
Speaker:Me neither.
Speaker:It was different.
Speaker:Yeah, it was definitely different.
Speaker:But it was a good, different and it was a good time.
Speaker:Uh, just going around.
Speaker:Definitely some interesting spots in the, uh, which the Japanese gardens?
Speaker:They hadn't, which, like, they had the Buddhist statue head.
Speaker:Oh, spooky.
Speaker:Which I have up on the screen right now and then there's like the, like rounded.
Speaker:I don't, I don't even know, like the, for those rocks or whatever where it's just like they had the tops, just kind of rounded down and it's, it was like a, what, how, how would I like if you were to just, like, take the top of a Hershey's kiss and just put it on top of a rock almost.
Speaker:I have it up on the screen for everyone else to see what you're talking about.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:It looks like just like a, ok, this sounds gross.
Speaker:Much bigger point or?
Speaker:Yeah, this, this sounds gross.
Speaker:Uh, oh, it looks like the boulder has a pimple that's about to burst.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:I told you it was a lot grosser.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:But that sort of reminds me of, it's like paging doctor pimple popper, paging doctor pimple popper.
Speaker:No.
Speaker:Um, I like this or I would think of like a sorry, like game piece.
Speaker:I like that one more.
Speaker:Ok.
Speaker:Fair enough.
Speaker:I, I haven't, um, but played sorry enough to, it's just like the little, I mean, it's a little, like, almost like a little Hershey, Hershey kiss thing.
Speaker:But actually I guess the game piece has a little, like ball on top so it doesn't, whatever.
Speaker:Yeah, whatever.
Speaker:But, yeah, so there wasn't, and they weren't participating with our prize this year for whatever reason.
Speaker:So they didn't have any.
Speaker:Yeah, they did.
Speaker:I thought, I thought they had something in the, or unless I was just some artist that they had their art displayed, but that was just the art display because if it was part of Art Prize.
Speaker:It had to be free to go view that part that was behind the admission was behind the ad.
Speaker:Yeah, because yeah, last time, like our prize was extended all the way out to like Meyer Garden, which was kind of interesting because it was a ways down from downtown.
Speaker:Of course, this year also as, as we learned um art Prize, the original committee that created our prize dissolved of November 2022 and their new group came forward and created things and that's not what we have with our price.
Speaker:So art is in the eye of the beholder or so they say, but here is my thought on it.
Speaker:I'll give this thought as a summary and then we'll go into it more.
Speaker:OK?
Speaker:OK.
Speaker:I love how was like, wait, what, what's going on?
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Art is in the eye of the beholder.
Speaker:Cool.
Speaker:Whatever can make you feel different emotions.
Speaker:Oh It make me feel so happy or whatever else.
Speaker:You know, the Snooty art fanatics will say, you know, if you've ever seen the show Frasier, I think of people like that when I think of art critics.
Speaker:Have you ever seen Frasier?
Speaker:Oh Man.
Speaker:Have you ever seen Cheers?
Speaker:Not enough to know any like references of OK.
Speaker:So Fraser is a spin off of Cheers.
Speaker:OK?
Speaker:Because Frasier was a character on Cheers.
Speaker:OK?
Speaker:And then he spun off guys own TV show and now they're doing a reboot of Frasier continuing the story of Frazier as he moves back to Boston where Cheers started.
Speaker:So they're going full circle.
Speaker:Who?
Speaker:All right, they're not going back to the Cheers Bar, but you know, they're going back to the same town bla bla bla anyways, I, I, if you ever watched the show, like him and his brother Niles, they just sound like Niles just sounds like posh and proper.
Speaker:Um But Niles and him are always like doing art critiques and wine tastings and all this stuff.
Speaker:And every time I see stuff like this, I think of those two like going around going oh, this is an original da da da da um arts in the eye of the beholder, but sometimes like you're snooty about it.
Speaker:But he anyways back to what I was originally getting at.
Speaker:Yes, art is in the eye of the beholder of a if you like it or not, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker:But I also think that and this is my opinion and Aaron can disagree, agree, have a different statement, however, he wants to say it.
Speaker:But I also think that artist have a responsibility for the art that they make and that the message that it gives as well.
Speaker:And there's a couple examples I have specifically from, from Art Prize that I'll bring up.
Speaker:Um But there's also quite a few cool things in art prize as well that were just kind of cool over all that I like that.
Speaker:I was like, oh, this is nice and neat.
Speaker:And I would have it in my house if it didn't cost so many thousands of dollars because all of them are expensive as all get out some rightly.
Speaker:So some I would say not rightly.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:The first piece that was quite entertaining to me at least was only because of the name of the artist that, that made it, the name of the artist was Andrew Peterson and I sent it to our friend Andy and I was like, hey, so I see, I was like, I know it's not you but are all Andy Peterson's talented in the arts somehow in the arts.
Speaker:Somehow.
Speaker:In this case, it was um I'm trying to remember what that piece even looked like.
Speaker:It, it's called, what was it called?
Speaker:Reverberations in silence.
Speaker:It was oil on board was the medium and it was like this uh lady staring at you out from behind the, the, the painting, big eyes, big eyes.
Speaker:I'm like disproportionately big eyes.
Speaker:I was like, whoa, scary.
Speaker:OK lady.
Speaker:So I, I had that up on the screen there for people to kind of see as well.
Speaker:All these pictures and you can go, oh, that's a horrible picture.
Speaker:I know I took it.
Speaker:Oh my God.
Speaker:I don't expect them to be good.
Speaker:I'm not a natural framer like Aaron over here, Aaron has natural framing abilities and I keep trying to tell him this and he doesn't listen to me.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Actually we know you have, yeah, I know I have.
Speaker:But there were just some good pieces that stuck out to me, for example, uh the piece I have up on the screen right now.
Speaker:I don't have the name of it, but essentially it is this guitar, oh, where it was the guitar going up and down.
Speaker:But in the bottom it's like this.
Speaker:Uh And I have it on screen for people to see.
Speaker:Uh So like the roots in this like floating island in the top is that the top of a tree and there's a house up there and everything and it's kind of cool in and of itself.
Speaker:That being said, I then did one simple edit to that piece.
Speaker:Um When I say edit that in, in lightroom because all the pictures I took were in raw format or basically I said, hey, do a little um color swapping, you know, do a little color filtering and it took it from this nice bright piece.
Speaker:A lot of yellows, you know, around the planet and that and made it more dark with the orange behind the planets and it made the stars on the, on the painting pop out a lot more.
Speaker:And it even made the brick like just so much darker than what it really was in real life.
Speaker:And it was kind of cool.
Speaker:I enjoyed it.
Speaker:I was like ah, this is what an artist feels like.
Speaker:I am not an artist.
Speaker:I am just one who enjoys the art.
Speaker:As I, as my Coker says, I, I didn't realize you're so cultured.
Speaker:I'm gonna show him some of these pictures and remind him of his statement.
Speaker:He's a good guy.
Speaker:I've lied.
Speaker:Mm.
Speaker:But, yeah, there were a couple of pieces that, you know, either I remember because they were cool or I remember because they were just odd wacky.
Speaker:For example, the one at the art museum that was plastered all around the art museum.
Speaker:Do you remember what that was plastered all around?
Speaker:The Yeah, like it was all around the art museum, like in all the windows.
Speaker:Oh, that I want you, I want you to talk about your feelings, talk about your feelings and it's a three eyed like Uncle Sam staring at you pointing at you.
Speaker:I wouldn't say it's, it's just, it's like some weird, I don't know what it is.
Speaker:Monster version of Uncle Sam because the nose is like a skeleton nose hole and then that it's like pointed teeth but only a couple pointed teeth and yeah, it's just weird.
Speaker:Um Yeah, it's a weird one.
Speaker:I, I don't know what was up with that, what they were thinking but hey, whatever.
Speaker:Talk about your, I want you to talk about your films.
Speaker:Uh You have that one, you had the dinosaurs in modern times art exhibit, you know, like the triceratops going against the forklift.
Speaker:Uh, was it the T rex at the gas station?
Speaker:I like those ones.
Speaker:The, uh, Broncho source is near an airplane which I have up right now on the screen and it's like a downed airplane.
Speaker:Mhm.
Speaker:You had the one that I post on Facebook?
Speaker:And was funny is we were at dinner on, um, the Wednesday after we got back and I was like, hey, yeah, I like this one I showed to Robin Robin, our friend, Robin was like, I know I've seen this somewhere before and I was like, I post on Facebook.
Speaker:She's like I saw it on Facebook.
Speaker:I'm like, that's because I just posted on that would be nice.
Speaker:Um So it got posted there.
Speaker:She saw that, which is kind of cool because it wasn't just a thing that you would hang on a wall.
Speaker:It was also like, you could put a kid at it and keep the kid busy for a while because it was an interactive maze that it was, it was like this uh release like a relief to topographical of like, I don't know, somewhere, but it, and I have it on the screen right now, but it's amazed it starts in the upper left hand corner, ends in the lower right hand corner and I have the maze solution as well.
Speaker:Just I'm not, I haven't posted that yet.
Speaker:People gotta figure it out and then we have the one that Robin liked, which was the Mad Hatter.
Speaker:Of course, it's kind of cool, but of course she likes the Mad Hatter.
Speaker:So that makes perfect sense that she liked that.
Speaker:And I took a little video and sent it and I was like, hey, here you go.
Speaker:Um, trying to think if there's anything else like that wasn't, that wasn't part of it that caused me to go.
Speaker:Hey, we're responsible for our, oh, I remember the selfie.
Speaker:Oh, that one was cool.
Speaker:The selfie.
Speaker:That was good.
Speaker:I have that up on the screen right now.
Speaker:Um Yeah, that, that was just crazy good.
Speaker:There was a lot of details in that.
Speaker:Oh yeah, I can't believe that was only like, what, 20 grand, only 20 grand.
Speaker:I mean, that's still a ton of money but I just, I can't help but compare it to the little paintings of a, like a vase of flowers.
Speaker:That was five grand.
Speaker:I was like, really?
Speaker:Yeah, and I have the selfie up here on the screen right now and I just kind of, I kind of moved around it in the quadrants because it's actually composed of like four smaller.
Speaker:Yeah, it's like four panels, canvases, canvases, panels all together in one.
Speaker:And I was like, man and Aaron's like, what camera does he have?
Speaker:He was asking me because he was trying to be the camera.
Speaker:I was like a DS LR some kind, I don't know how should I know you didn't put enough detail in there for you?
Speaker:Yeah, it could be any sort of model.
Speaker:And also what year did you start painting?
Speaker:It also determines that thing as well.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:He called it self selfie on the wall by Diego Perez.
Speaker:Yeah, that was, that was good.
Speaker:So, I was like, yeah, I was like, that is, that was, yes, that was good.
Speaker:And we had other things in there, you know, like the uh multi hued colored skull, which I have up on the screen right now.
Speaker:That was a lot of orange and blue.
Speaker:Do you remember that?
Speaker:No, there was this animal skull, those paintings, all sorts of hues of oranges and blues.
Speaker:I got a couple angles on that one.
Speaker:I forgot what building that was in.
Speaker:And unfortunately, I didn't have my like my GPS.
Speaker:I don't have a GPS device attached to my camera yet as I said yet that'll be for the next time we go to our press, I'll have that um because that will uh definitely be something that'll be useful because then I don't have to go through and tag all the photos.
Speaker:Oh, fair enough, fair enough because it's like, oh look, I get to take all my photos on where they were taken.
Speaker:Yay God do I do.
Speaker:But that the overall, there was just a lot of good art and a bunch of different mediums, sculpture, painting oil.
Speaker:Um Mostly non interactive.
Speaker:Yeah, but there was some, just definitely some interesting ones but the the more I guess you could say intriguing ones I haven't even brought up yet because I think um that that'll be a lot of the conversation.
Speaker:So before we dive into this on the ones that I kind of picked out and I have photos of and one even a video of why, why are you laughing video one.
Speaker:Body add add add add.
Speaker:Was there anything that stuck out to you that is still part of your memory of this event?
Speaker:This art prize?
Speaker:Um Was there anything that kind of was like, hm, it caused Aaron to think or caused Aaron to go?
Speaker:Huh?
Speaker:Well, definitely body.
Speaker:Yadi Yadi, Yadi Yadi.
Speaker:OK.
Speaker:We'll get to body.
Speaker:Yadi, Yadi, Yadi Yadi.
Speaker:Weird.
Speaker:Um 100%.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Um man, as far as like the artsy stuff, I'm trying to remember what like my favorite one was in the first place.
Speaker:Oh, I thought the, the uh the oh gosh, come on.
Speaker:All right, the fontani.
Speaker:Um So it was basically it would, the whole thing wasn't there?
Speaker:He just, he had the uh uh like OK, let's see if I can even read right now.
Speaker:Was it, is that uh oh, just like the little metal things that he were changed due to different like voltage volts of Yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about because I have a photo of the various colors, but I also have a color, a picture of the sculpture, that thing.
Speaker:But was there another?
Speaker:Well, no, there was a sculpture there, there was dude that was like the info display block and then just a little few feet beyond that, like in the like the where there would normally be some water.
Speaker:There was a sculpture because it was showing how he made all those colors in the sculpture through that metal.
Speaker:That's what that, that's what that little display infographic was.
Speaker:For what?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So what it was was it's this like sculpture made out of metal, different metals and, and it's all the same.
Speaker:Uh I thought it was different metals there.
Speaker:I thought it was just, he used different increments.
Speaker:So it says 100 and 20 colors at one volt temperament for the fish.
Speaker:Oh, that's all that I was looking at.
Speaker:So there it's like this supposed to represent like the seaweed.
Speaker:Oh, ok.
Speaker:I didn't see that.
Speaker:The seaweed and then there's three fish in, hanging out by the seaweed and the fish are just all these multitude of colors and everything like that.
Speaker:The seaweeds colorful too.
Speaker:But the, the fish is what that display graph indicates how he made those colors on the fish.
Speaker:I have the picture right now up of that and what it looks like that was pretty nifty.
Speaker:And you're, you're like, oh, I'm just cool about the, how they made the the various colors here.
Speaker:I got the, like how they got actually the, uh, I actually got the fish here and I, I'm zoomed in here on my screen here for those so I can see those fish.
Speaker:Wow, they're kind of cool.
Speaker:It is, it is pretty freaking nifty.
Speaker:Um, I liked some of the, I'm gonna have to send you this picture then, I guess.
Speaker:Yeah, other than that, I like some of the still photography shots some people took.
Speaker:OK.
Speaker:And uh what was, who is the, and that's, I guess where you get in the whole uh the composing or whatever, getting like a picture.
Speaker:The eye for a shot was the the pineapple in the fountain in the Amway Grand Hotel as that wasn't even an art piece.
Speaker:I just made it my own art for my inner artist.
Speaker:Oh gosh.
Speaker:Um oh, what was it all that uh was it, was it, was it a painting of a tree that was inspired by a photo?
Speaker:And that one like, uh I don't know, it was like uh some like little Asian restaurant or something like that where when we got in and we looked to the right there's just like a couple eating and, but they had art like displayed above them.
Speaker:But so being like that was, wasn't that I wasn't that like painted, I can't remember but I thought that was in like from an actual picture of something that was probably one of my favorites.
Speaker:It says photo print under acrylic glass.
Speaker:Ok.
Speaker:So it's, you have it right in the label, right on there.
Speaker:You just have to zoom.
Speaker:I didn't feel like doing that.
Speaker:Thank you.
Speaker:I don't, I have people do work for me.
Speaker:Just so you're a manager?
Speaker:Got it.
Speaker:Heck, yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:That, that would be odd.
Speaker:Be like, I'm trying to eat.
Speaker:Why are you looking at artwork above my head?
Speaker:I was like, it was bizarre.
Speaker:All right.
Speaker:Uh, is there anything else that stood out to you in particular before we get to some of these pieces that I, uh, have selected?
Speaker:Oh, no, I mean, it was, the cars were cool that weren't even a part of it.
Speaker:But then there was that one car by the Marriott that was a part of it.
Speaker:That was just like that weird.
Speaker:Oh, I was thinking you were talking about the actual cars that were painted.
Speaker:Go ahead.
Speaker:So there was actual, in one of the buildings, paintings of old cars.
Speaker:Oh, yeah, Ds Martin.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah, I like that one a lot too.
Speaker:I like those.
Speaker:No, I was thinking of the, like, the actual old, like, muscle cars and stuff that we're hanging out.
Speaker:But then there's that weird, like, boxy Triangle, like weird car somebody made in front of one of the hotels.
Speaker:That was bizarre.
Speaker:Yeah, that, but, uh, which I have that up now for someone to see.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I think was very interesting.
Speaker:Uh, it's the car of the future Aaron.
Speaker:It's what you'll be driving but it's not electric so it can't be, but they can put it on an electric frame.
Speaker:I mean, they could, I zoomed in way too much there on the screen right now.
Speaker:I have showing basically the old car that's underneath the frame that they then, you know, um, solidified, let's say.
Speaker:But other than that, yeah, there's nothing really besides until you get to the really, well, some of the more interesting things and then the ones that I was not looking forward to but knowing they were gonna be there was the more political pieces.
Speaker:Ok.
Speaker:So what, what were, what were some of the ones that were there that you knew were gonna be there?
Speaker:But you weren't looking forward to.
Speaker:Let me ask that.
Speaker:Uh Well, some of the misinformation out there, if we're gonna actually care about that kind of stuff, what was the one where I was in that church where it was just all different artists submitted something to the lady and she just had them all up.
Speaker:I don't know, in some set up that you had to walk through and observe each rectangular piece that she had for the art, which there was one that was actually cool on there of a dove and it made me think of rescuing a store.
Speaker:But I get from Reds.
Speaker:Ok.
Speaker:But uh no, the one was like with the, it looks like a little like 22 caliber bullet or whatever and it says warning like this, I guess I got it pulled up right here on my screen.
Speaker:Yeah, warning range.
Speaker:One mile.
Speaker:Be careful.
Speaker:Keep out of reach of Children.
Speaker:Enough said, ok.
Speaker:Yeah, I got that one here because, yeah, that, that display had a couple of things that were, um, interesting.
Speaker:Yeah, let's go with interesting, let's say interesting.
Speaker:Let's, let's say that because if I just say another word, that might be a cause for the speech, I just wasn't gonna go there.
Speaker:But, oh, that's where I'm going.
Speaker:Ok.
Speaker:That's where Aaron's going.
Speaker:So, uh, we now know what Aaron thinks about things.
Speaker:Aaron really tell us.
Speaker:What, what do you, what do you think about that?
Speaker:Oh, I know this was, it's gonna be labeled as hate speech.
Speaker:It might not actually be anything all that bad but, you know, it's not what they want it to be.
Speaker:So, therefore it's hate speech.
Speaker:Ok.
Speaker:So one in, in this one, me and Aaron had a conversation about while there.
Speaker:No, he didn't do.
Speaker:You know which one I'm pulling up actually.
Speaker:No, I technically don't.
Speaker:All right.
Speaker:This one I have, is it the rainbow one I have up on my screen right now because Aaron's like, well, technically it's right and I said yes.
Speaker:Yeah, that is the one.
Speaker:Ok.
Speaker:Yeah, I said technically, yeah, I know what they were getting at with it.
Speaker:All right.
Speaker:So which one is it Aaron?
Speaker:It's the rainbow piece where it's like, God isn't, uh, doesn't have a gender or whatever.
Speaker:God has no gender and it's a rainbow of on it, which they stole that from the Bible.
Speaker:Anyways, not arguing with that at all on you.
Speaker:No, I know.
Speaker:But, so God has no gender.
Speaker:That one.
Speaker:Iii I see that.
Speaker:I'm like, yes, technically you're right.
Speaker:Technically that is God the father or the spirit.
Speaker:Oh Yeah, weather.
Speaker:But you also know that.
Speaker:How do I put this by looking at the artist?
Speaker:You know what their message is that they're really saying?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Well, that was embarrassing.
Speaker:Uh My camera decided to die again.
Speaker:I think it's due to heat issues.
Speaker:I was right.
Speaker:I'm just noticing something.
Speaker:There we go.
Speaker:I know when I had my bike like this, I had a big old shadow over my eye.
Speaker:It looked like I was wearing an eye patch.
Speaker:Yeah, you can't see the screen anymore.
Speaker:Um I'm hoping by keeping it open like that.
Speaker:That will keep it from already.
Speaker:Too hot.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Super hot.
Speaker:Any who?
Speaker:So what we were talking about was the God has no gender piece of art.
Speaker:OK.
Speaker:Correct.
Speaker:Um Like I said technically, yeah.
Speaker:True.
Speaker:OK.
Speaker:Not it doesn't have gender like but God doesn't have gender like we think of it as male female like in human form.
Speaker:You know, that's not a thing.
Speaker:So, for the sort of God, yes, yes, Jesus definitely was male.
Speaker:Uh We know that, but what I'm saying is like God, the Father, the Holy Spirit doesn't necessarily have gender, like we think of it.
Speaker:Ok.
Speaker:But that doesn't mean that, you know, God hasn't revealed enough about himself as we've learned through Packer's book where we don't know Him as God.
Speaker:The father.
Speaker:We don't go, oh God the mother.
Speaker:No, that's not the thing.
Speaker:That's not the thing.
Speaker:Oh, sorry, thank you.
Speaker:Uh So he goes, they, they have the message God has no gender.
Speaker:You know what they're getting at with that message.
Speaker:What are they getting at Mr Johnson?
Speaker:He's gender fluid.
Speaker:He's to be whatever.
Speaker:Yeah, we can be whatever we wanna be.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So what is entertaining is that the word?
Speaker:Sure.
Speaker:So I have up on display right now right now.
Speaker:Uh What they submitted, it literally says God has no gender.
Speaker:Rainbow, right?
Speaker:I found the stars on Facebook.
Speaker:Oh, no.
Speaker:Everything of theirs is basically the flag with, with just white text over it.
Speaker:Everything.
Speaker:It's a good day when Trump is indicted.
Speaker:Rainbow.
Speaker:Oh my goodness.
Speaker:Um And this is, this is why I was like um iii I got what this person was doing right from the original art.
Speaker:So they have other art.
Speaker:So here's another piece of art, same format Rainbow by text.
Speaker:The immaculate conception was non consensual Right.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:Um Peace love, same sode uh religion suppresses women, feminism, love.
Speaker:Abortion is health care, peace.
Speaker:You know, I think that's kind of funny that you mentioned that because I was gonna mention to you.
Speaker:But what if we did a piece?
Speaker:And I mean, it would have to be, it'd be very gruesome but had like actual images of what abortions look like as far as for like the baby in and of itself.
Speaker:And then have the, have the question there.
Speaker:Health care for who and submit that 11 step further.
Speaker:Oh, yes.
Speaker:Use those images this but making a mosaic image of a child, you know what a mosaic is, right?
Speaker:But we go to our prize next year.
Speaker:You know what, you know what mosaic is, right?
Speaker:Mosaic is.
Speaker:It's like a bunch of pictures together to make one big picture, a bunch of little pictures and all those little pictures are abortions.
Speaker:Um either abortions, the aftermath of abortions or a child right before they get aborted.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:All right.
Speaker:So we got our piece for next year.
Speaker:That's gonna be a real, don't you steal a hot topic?
Speaker:Well, not, maybe not hot top, but that would be a very intense probably piece to be around.
Speaker:Oh, yeah.
Speaker:Uh And um Aaron will be the artist on site for it.
Speaker:Oh my gosh.
Speaker:Hm.
Speaker:I'm scared.
Speaker:Ok.
Speaker:But, but so I knew who the, the this type of person was in be based on their art piece that they submitted, right?
Speaker:And I was just like by the way, you can get a copy of that poster of God has no gender for 40 bucks.
Speaker:Wow, that's a rip off.
Speaker:Or you can get peace for 60.
Speaker:That's even more of a, you could literally just, oh, but the peace and love are on aluminum for 60.
Speaker:Ok.
Speaker:Ok.
Speaker:Ok.
Speaker:The God has no gender is on paper.
Speaker:Oh, well, for 40 that's a really big rip off.
Speaker:Yeah, just, just a little.
Speaker:Um, but yeah, yeah, I, I saw that, like, as soon as I saw that I was like, hm, I wonder what this, I was like?
Speaker:No, I don't have to wonder what this person's uh, political leanings are.
Speaker:And now I could tell you and if you go and find their, and I'm not saying go and uh harass them or anything like that.
Speaker:Um, especially like, as I kind of discussed in my solo video last week, don't harass people even if you disagree with them, let them have their peace in when I say it, let them have their peace, let them have their say in the, in the thing, you can disagree with them fully.
Speaker:You can say that they're wrong but let them at least have the be part of the conversation still.
Speaker:Um But you, you find this, this particular artist and, well, I mean, if you saw on the screen you, you saw, you saw exactly how to find them because they put on their little, their little banner area that they had their, um, their user name that they use like on Twitter and Facebook.
Speaker:So it's not like who, who did this?
Speaker:It, it says right on there at, and then their user name.
Speaker:So putting yourselves out there it's easy to find is what I'm saying.
Speaker:I'm, I'm saying they're not trying to hide, I'm not doxing them.
Speaker:I'm not doing anything like that.
Speaker:Um I don't believe in doxing, but so I, I see that I was like, OK, I know exactly what we're dealing with here.
Speaker:Um We're, we're talking about someone who doesn't hold true, hold fast to what the Bible says about sexuality, gender or anything like that.
Speaker:And they're trying to use their own message with the guys of the rainbow, which has been a as we've talked about personally privately, I don't know if we've ever talked about on here necessarily, but where the rainbow itself has just been uh taken over by things that shouldn't be taken over for and used in ways that shouldn't be used.
Speaker:So it's like, yeah, I was like, of course, yeah.
Speaker:So that was one that I saw immediately.
Speaker:I was like, oh, great.
Speaker:OK.
Speaker:Mhm.
Speaker:Um And then again, the one you talked about with the bullet, the warning range one mile.
Speaker:Be careful.
Speaker:Keep outreach your Children.
Speaker:Yeah, I saw that immediately.
Speaker:And I was like, hm.
Speaker:Hm.
Speaker:Hm.
Speaker:Yeah, that, that doesn't have a range of a mile.
Speaker:I mean, if it can, even, if it can even get to a mile, that's one heck of a shot.
Speaker:Um, but the level of accuracy.
Speaker:So both of us agree that looks like a 22.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:What is the 22 LRS range?
Speaker:Effective range effective?
Speaker:Uh huh.
Speaker:Uh, that's interesting because I did watch a video.
Speaker:Ok, on youtube of, uh, with was under Grantham's, uh, youtube channel and they kind of did somewhat of a test with this with the 22 I think.
Speaker:I mean, I think they were able to be shooting out about 4 to 600 yards with the 22.
Speaker:It was pretty nuts.
Speaker:Like there's either, well, granted there's a, the difference would be bigger depending over obviously a longer distance.
Speaker:But trying to remember what, what's I think is meters longer than a yard, I think just by a little, well, not a ton but a little bit, I can't remember now off the top of my head, I can't, I can't tell you right off the top of my head.
Speaker:They're similar, right.
Speaker:But, yeah, so, but also for the shot, they were up high and they were shooting at something down lower.
Speaker:So they already had that somewhat to their advantage anyways was for the, the height thing.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:So I'm guessing if we're on level ground, I mean, the hut, 100 yards, 1 to 300 yards would be my guess.
Speaker:But you have to be a pretty good shot with the 22 at that distance because I don't know how long it took them also to get some of those shots to land in that video.
Speaker:They did.
Speaker:Um, maybe I can find that and I can, I mean, I don't know if that's something you'd even include in the.
Speaker:Oh, I haven't include links.
Speaker:Yeah uh in the description or whatever of this but yeah, interesting video and it's obviously, yeah, Grantham has some, they do some cool science stuff with uh with the firearms and like to correct some silly remarks made by politicians.
Speaker:Ok.
Speaker:So he here's where it gets interesting.
Speaker:Yeah, the effective range and this is where you can go.
Speaker:Oh well, it's debatable and things and effective range of a 22 long rifle, LR 22 LR 150 yards.
Speaker:Oh, that's the effective range.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:However, technically, yeah, and this is where I had to, I have to kind of sit there and go.
Speaker:Huh?
Speaker:Uh technically if you weren't trying to hit something hat off, I wasn't trying.
Speaker:Ok, like you're like, I don't care the maximum range like you had this optimal conditions, the most optimal conditions.
Speaker:Uh you have a 22 LR of 40 grains.
Speaker:Mhm which gets you muzzle velocity at 1255 ft per second.
Speaker:That's Wow.
Speaker:Ok.
Speaker:But, ok, compare it to, like, uh, it's actually a little bit faster than, like a nine mil.
Speaker:It's actually a lot faster than 45 AC P, well, 45 is a big heavy beefy boy.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Um, actually the 22 long rifle has a longer range than the 45.
Speaker:Yeah, but not as long as a nine mil.
Speaker:Because if you, because if I told you a nine mil, right, nine mils.
Speaker:Yeah, nine mil is gonna shoot over a mile.
Speaker:Oh, I'll shoot over a mile technically.
Speaker:Oh, because it can shoot 2000, 400 yards.
Speaker:Ok.
Speaker:Which, yeah, multiply that by three.
Speaker:Well, that's 1 ft.
Speaker:It's 1.36 miles.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Ok.
Speaker:That's optimal conditions.
Speaker:That's not, you hitting something, you're not gonna hit something, it's gonna hit something over there, but it's not gonna be necessarily what you're aiming at.
Speaker:Unless you are like a marksman, you're taking control for all the wind, you're taking control for all the variables.
Speaker:Ok.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:No, that's 100 and 24 grain muzzle velocity of 1120 ft per second.
Speaker:You can get 2400 velocity at impact is 300 ft per 2nd.
Speaker:350 ft per second on a nine mil.
Speaker:Ok.
Speaker:AC P is 330 ft per second.
Speaker:So it's a little bit slower than the nine mil even on that regard.
Speaker:Ok.
Speaker:Fine, whatever.
Speaker:So technically, technically, like this is the maximum they've ever gotten to fire on a LR 2000 yards, 2000 yards, which is technically technically, guess what?
Speaker:1.13 f, but that's, you're talking, you're talking all the right conditions and it's not paying what you're going for.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:My question would be at that point.
Speaker:No.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Ok.
Speaker:I'm sorry, go ahead.
Speaker:What, what would be the, um, how much would that hit for at that point if that to some range?
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:How fast is it traveling?
Speaker:Is it going to be?
Speaker:Because I know and for as far as like Grantham, I think, believe in their video like they didn't get anywhere near that range.
Speaker:Yeah, that's what I said.
Speaker:That's the maximum range with proper conditions and everything.
Speaker:That's not typical.
Speaker:No.
Speaker:Um I think I wanna say the farthest they went out was maybe 600 yards.
Speaker:I mean, and it was still enough to break skin and get into you.
Speaker:Um I can't remember if it was still breaking bones at all.
Speaker:I that I don't remember.
Speaker:Um But yeah, so with that far range like it's still, yeah, if you get hit by it, it's gonna hurt.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:According to this article 22 LR is typically used in urban operations because of its short range.
Speaker:Mm like we're talking urban operations by like police and that because of its short range.
Speaker:So wow, police have, I mean most police officers I see.
Speaker:Have a nine mil, uh, 22.
Speaker:Yeah, we're not talking, like, for, like, the police officer on foot we're talking about for those doing more long range shots.
Speaker:What?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So they have, they have links to articles here.
Speaker:Uh, there are some police departments, especially like in your ultra urban's.
Speaker:Their snipers are using 22 LRS in urban urban, urban settings where they don't want anything to go through, like walls or go through stuff like that.
Speaker:It's not like your military dramas and TV shows where you see them like shit.
Speaker:I'll have to, I'll have to ask, man, there's a family that we knew who they had a sniper in their dining room, living room because of a hostage situation happening across the street from him.
Speaker:Love to see.
Speaker:I mean, I wonder what kind of rifle they're using for that.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:That's interesting because that, hm.
Speaker:Grand and all the, not, not that I've seen a ton but in like, active shooting scenarios, I don't think I've seen any police officers of the 22.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So it's mostly those who are gonna be doing like sniping and that, not your on the ground.
Speaker:Police officer who is doing the, you know, the foot chase and that interesting donut operator.
Speaker:Can you back that up?
Speaker:Just kidding.
Speaker:I'm sure there's a lot of other.
Speaker:Hm.
Speaker:That's so bizarre.
Speaker:That's weird.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:But they do say, you know, typically though it's only effective up to like 200 yards.
Speaker:Typically on most situations, 100 and 50 is the normal, but you can get it up to 200.
Speaker:If you're moving it beyond that, you have more skill.
Speaker:It's a tricky shot because that's not a heavy bullet.
Speaker:So it won't take as much to and think if you're in a windy situation, it won't take much to change your mile.
Speaker:Um, ability means you'll probably have no wind.
Speaker:It's good temperature out.
Speaker:So that way the air density is good, neutral and it's not like all that fun stuff.
Speaker:All of the other, you don't have things in the way.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So, physics and science and stuff that would go into that and the bullet on its own doesn't have a mile range.
Speaker:You need a rifle capable of doing it.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So, an, and to, if it went off just don't hold it because then your hands gonna hurt if you do.
Speaker:Right?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:But I mean, so, and that's kind of where it gets me.
Speaker:I'm like, yeah, technically if you wanna go under technicalities, it's true.
Speaker:Near perfect situation.
Speaker:Exactly.
Speaker:Near perfect scenario.
Speaker:And we're not a near perfect scenario, are we?
Speaker:No.
Speaker:So, I was like, ok, that, that's, that's, that was another one on my, uh, on my list there.
Speaker:Um, and then of course, there was this other one here.
Speaker:It was tied to the same thing with all the, uh, with all the all the art pieces are sent in is where you could write your own message on it.
Speaker:Oh, it was, what's your message?
Speaker:And I took a picture of some of the messages.
Speaker:Um So there was one I was like, oh, you, you're, you're at the right path and then I go, oh, no, no, you're not.
Speaker:So it started out all lives matter and then it said in parentheses, sexuality wise.
Speaker:Mhm.
Speaker:Uh huh.
Speaker:I was like uh huh.
Speaker:And then you know, those common misconceptions you hear, you know, which, you know, if I was not a Christian would be like, yes.
Speaker:Uh but I go, I realize what the Bible says.
Speaker:So no, and also they have a wrong conception of what.
Speaker:So there, yeah, there, there was a message in here that I saw that I said, you know, to myself, you know, if I wasn't a Christian or I didn't understand this concept better that I do, I'd be like, yeah, I agree with them, but it also tells me that they don't agree that they don't understand things in life in reality.
Speaker:And, and here's the statement that they wrote no matter who you are, ain't no one is born to be alone.
Speaker:Ain't no one is born to be alone.
Speaker:Yeah, that's what they wrote.
Speaker:Um They're obviously going along the same lines as like the God has no gender thing and all that other stuff.
Speaker:Um And I'm like, OK, I I, and they're probably going along the lines of, well, no matter who you are, who we love.
Speaker:Love is love.
Speaker:Get married, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker:Maybe not, not even getting married anymore.
Speaker:Yeah, I got cousins like that.
Speaker:Um, including the cousin that got peed on.
Speaker:That's a whole other story.
Speaker:Anyways.
Speaker:Yeah, there were some other ones, um, on there.
Speaker:But, yeah, I was like, like this one.
Speaker:I was like, oh, boy, I wonder where they're coming from?
Speaker:Let me read this sacred ones.
Speaker:Thank you for life, the land, the sea, the night sky.
Speaker:Thank you for all the plants and all the animals for mother's milk and father's tears.
Speaker:Blessed.
Speaker:Be what?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:But huh.
Speaker:So I was like, yeah, ok.
Speaker:And again for all these um for the video people, I do have these on the video screen for you to kind of read along and do a face plant as well.
Speaker:Do a face plant as well and be like, why is this a thing?
Speaker:What is going on?
Speaker:Because America, I don't know.
Speaker:Oh, yeah, because America that and I just sat there and go.
Speaker:Oh, and then we're not even even up to bad yada yada yet.
Speaker:I know.
Speaker:Um Yep, I'm not gonna show this one because youtube will like kill my, kill the channel.
Speaker:Um It's the gun right on wall thing.
Speaker:But what the guy that we saw, right?
Speaker:So what we saw this together?
Speaker:No, no, no.
Speaker:No, not that one.
Speaker:What?
Speaker:Um yes, that, but not that.
Speaker:So what I mean is, well, OK, let's set the stage.
Speaker:OK.
Speaker:There's an interactive art piece where a guy took graphene molds of handguns or graphite.
Speaker:Graphite, not graphene, graphene is different uh graphite molds of handguns.
Speaker:Uh So and then had a blank white wall.
Speaker:So you could then go and write on said wall.
Speaker:Uh I, when I, when I say graphite molds and like even the stippling is pretty good.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Oh, it was very realistic looking.
Speaker:I have a picture up here uh Zoomed in uh right now on the screen of one of the, the handguns which was on a dog leash of all things.
Speaker:True.
Speaker:So the whole gun itself could be used to draw because it was all, it was all graphite graphite except the bottom was an eraser.
Speaker:I don't know if you saw that or not.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Like, so the mag OK.
Speaker:You know, the bottom of the magazine was an eraser so you could erase from the wall.
Speaker:And, you know, basically it was uh an art, a protest art project thing about how guns are banned gun violence thing because that's where, I mean, it had written out on the massive, I don't know, canvas, whatever.
Speaker:Um They had, we're all in this together, written out on it and then it was open for people to doodle around it or in the letters.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So, but as we're there, there was this Indian group when, like, when I say Indian group, like a group from India.
Speaker:Not the state, the country, well, when the state's not India it's Indiana.
Speaker:Yeah, you're right.
Speaker:But close enough, close enough to get them mixed up there.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Whatever they both started with in the, the country.
Speaker:India, they were all there.
Speaker:They weren't native Americans.
Speaker:They weren't anything like that.
Speaker:They were Indians from India and I sat back and watched as one guy just took the gun and drew a Swastika on the thing.
Speaker:And then I was like, and I'm just like, how long till that gets erased from there?
Speaker:I took a picture of it.
Speaker:I mean, he started doing like other weird flares off of it but still like the Swastika was the centerpiece.
Speaker:But I don't know if you listen to him.
Speaker:No, I like to, people watch and I like to eavesdrop.
Speaker:Yeah, you do.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Um And he was making the comment.
Speaker:He's like they stole this from us.
Speaker:They don't know what it means.
Speaker:Like he like, that's what the symbol.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:The swastika like that.
Speaker:That's what he was saying to the people that were there with him.
Speaker:And I'm like, yes, you're right.
Speaker:But most people do not understand this concept in the world nowadays.
Speaker:And so so, yeah, was this, I thought the Swastika was like a Japanese sign of peace, not Japanese.
Speaker:It was Indian it.
Speaker:Um IND I don't know.
Speaker:I thought it was an Asian sign originally.
Speaker:No, uh originally from Baltic area.
Speaker:And then I gotta pull this up here just to make sure I have my correct thing here where most people know it from outside of the Nazi Party.
Speaker:Obviously uh World War Two A as people will go the bad guys because um if you say the N word, oh like the N word, not the N word like OK, the N A word, not the N I word.
Speaker:Oh OK.
Speaker:If you say the N A word, right?
Speaker:Um youtube and that will kind of throttle you down because they don't like it.
Speaker:That's what they'll say the bad guys of World War Two, you know who you're talking about.
Speaker:OK.
Speaker:So most people know from there, right?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:But so the, the word Swastika comes from Sanskrit uh meaning conductive to well being and it's, and then where a lot of people know from is like in Hinduism.
Speaker:Oh, the sw Asaka and Hinduism symbolizes Sera or the Sun prosperity and good luck.
Speaker:Hm.
Speaker:So that's if it's right facing.
Speaker:However, if you have the Swastika left facing, it symbolizes night.
Speaker:Huh?
Speaker:Um And then there's a couple different places but, and it was found all the way back it with Buddhism, Hinduism.
Speaker:Um It represents the lightning bolt, it represents the thunder God.
Speaker:Um hm.
Speaker:Interesting.
Speaker:In Roman Times.
Speaker:It represented Zeus in the ancient Greek religion, Jupiter and the ancient Roman religion and Thor, in the ancient Germanic religions.
Speaker:So it's not just this one place that has it, there's multiple cultures that have it, multiple cultures have used it.
Speaker:We just know it primarily because of the bad guys of World War Two.
Speaker:I mean, I, I, they used it everywhere.
Speaker:Ok.
Speaker:So, you know, and people are gonna be like, oh, you guys are on the screen right now?
Speaker:Yeah, you're not seeing my screen right now.
Speaker:But there is a reason why I bring that up just because of the fact that people get all sort of crazy.
Speaker:But yeah, like I said, people won't understand that and then they're gonna be like this man wrote that there, erase it.
Speaker:Yeah, he's evil.
Speaker:It probably, and it probably was unfortunately erased but, and some people will go well serves him right.
Speaker:That's a good thing.
Speaker:And I go, ah, I don't know.
Speaker:I'm, I'm kind of torn on that.
Speaker:II I don't believe in just destroying things to destroy, but I also get why people do it and then, and then a AAA what, what, what, why are you gonna try to see here if it's still cause I took a picture near the end?
Speaker:Oh, it's still there.
Speaker:It was still there as we kind of left it.
Speaker:I know as we left.
Speaker:But I'm wondering, I'm wondering if we went there now today.
Speaker:Oh, is it?
Speaker:Oh gosh, I mean, I wonder if they probably replace the whole thing every so often.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I don't know, because I'd imagine that would get very, uh filled very quickly.
Speaker:I just loved all the kids playing with it too though.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And I'd like your statement when to say your statement about it before we get back to b yadda, yadda.
Speaker:What, what did, what did you say about it?
Speaker:Um, something about probably not the best thing for kids to be playing with or I guess not drawing with interacting with if, especially if they've never had any sort of gun safety, like teaching training or whatever because then they're gonna see this item as a coloring utensil and it's not, it's a very serious deadly weapon.
Speaker:Oh, no color.
Speaker:Just not the cars I want.
Speaker:It'll be a different color ink.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:If gone wrong.
Speaker:So, yeah.
Speaker:And so that was like one of those things where I was like, I get what the dude is doing interesting.
Speaker:But that was the other thing with, with it was because you also saw someone had written, you know, people kill people or something like guns don't kill people, people do.
Speaker:And then someone like, wrote next to that was like lies.
Speaker:I'm just like, and then someone crossed that out and said lies.
Speaker:Well, yeah, somebody drew another thing to that one.
Speaker:It said lie.
Speaker:I'm just like, that's like, that's what sucks about.
Speaker:I don't know, I suppose, like doing stuff like that.
Speaker:Because, yeah, you're gonna have people where you just cannot actually have a conversation with.
Speaker:It's just gonna be a barking match and that's, I mean, pointless.
Speaker:Really doesn't do anybody any good.
Speaker:So, it's tough having pieces like that out there.
Speaker:Can you imagine what will happen if you, if you actually do seriously make a mosaic?
Speaker:Oh, I know.
Speaker:That's good, dude.
Speaker:They, they probably wouldn't allow it be like, no, this goes against what we want, you know, wouldn't surprise me.
Speaker:Yeah, but so going against things that people want.
Speaker:B Yadi Yadi Yadi um I have up on the screen uh a little zoomed in description of this piece of artwork.
Speaker:Arts.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Uh Yeah, I have a video short 32nd video of it too.
Speaker:So B add add add oh Its subtitle is destabilizing the surveillance of queer bodies.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:OK.
Speaker:Uh This was an art prize seed grant recipient.
Speaker:So in other words, they had an idea but they didn't have the money to do it.
Speaker:So our prize gave them money to be able to create this um idea.
Speaker:Art installation.
Speaker:What a waste.
Speaker:So I'm gonna read to you and have a, well, I'm gonna read and I'm gonna have on the screen for you to read along as well.
Speaker:So you can understand that I'm not, you're not making anything.
Speaker:I'm not making this up because, oh, this sounds made up completely.
Speaker:Ari ari ari destabilizing the surveilling of queer bodies by Benjamin Rosenthal and Eric Southerner, Southern, not Southerner, Southern Souther, challenging the supremacy of normative human body to body contact.
Speaker:This project explores the role that a hybrid human object virtual encounter might pose for alternative forms of intimacy and sensing already there.
Speaker:In that first pair, that first sentence, not first pa first sentence, I go Aaron, what does normative mean?
Speaker:Normative?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:What we know as normal.
Speaker:I'm guessing what we assume as normal and accept as normal in the society.
Speaker:OK.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:What would be a hybrid human object virtual encounter?
Speaker:Uh uh uh Exactly.
Speaker:Um II, I would guess a hybrid human would be a human that's been well, no, it says hybrid human object virtual encounter.
Speaker:OK.
Speaker:So let's continue on with this.
Speaker:Yep, questioning the nature of how we understand the body, the ways in which we queer the body and the performative nature of how we explore our, our identities and media space.
Speaker:Ba A Adi Adi asks us to reimagine our potential using strategies of self surveillance.
Speaker:A reclamation of the camera as active agent and subject.
Speaker:And the revelation of the interface is it's interface uh parent s close parent of its own making the work ruptures normativity in favor of energetic energetic instability in our hybridized techno cultural future.
Speaker:Sure, whatever that means.
Speaker:And um I have a video of it because yeah, so what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna restart this to lo to buffer.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:If you've ever seen the movie or not, the movie, the TV show reboot from the early nineties.
Speaker:It looks like the same level of, uh, CG.
Speaker:I as that.
Speaker:It's just this very blocky, very blocky, very tubular CG.
Speaker:I nothing's very co here so everything in here is just, yeah, it was perfect.
Speaker:It was very odd thing to watch.
Speaker:That is being kind about it.
Speaker:You hear, see, but what I was told this was after, like, talking to some, someone I know when I showed him this you just have to be like, tripping on some drugs to really, you know, get it sort of thing.
Speaker:You know what?
Speaker:That's the only way you're getting it is a future if I'm being honest.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:You know, the, the, for the most part, you know, the thing that I look about with those pieces of art there, the body Yadi Yadi, um, the, which is really just, yeah, whatever.
Speaker:The gun one.
Speaker:and our one, the God has no gender one, the bullet one and another one that kind of comes to mind is the purple heart one.
Speaker:Oh, I don't remember that.
Speaker:I mean, it was in the Veterans Park.
Speaker:I know which one you're talking about, but I don't remember any of, like, the rating on it.
Speaker:Yeah, it was just kind of showing, like, it was just an artistic thing about, you know, p art.
Speaker:That one actually, like, I was like, oh, that was a good one.
Speaker:Cool.
Speaker:But the other ones, OK.
Speaker:The other ones.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So what other one do you have?
Speaker:What do you mean?
Speaker:What other one do I have?
Speaker:What other ones do you have?
Speaker:Did you do the, the giant Apple core?
Speaker:One Apple core with where Jesus is?
Speaker:Like the core of the?
Speaker:Oh, yeah, I forgot about that one.
Speaker:Thank you.
Speaker:I was about to ask you if there were any hours that come to your mind about ones that are like, like where?
Speaker:What?
Speaker:Yeah, that was one where like at first I was like kind of like, hm, interesting.
Speaker:But as you read the artist statement, I was like, no, I'll, I'll pick the one where you're not in it.
Speaker:The one where I'm not like, I'm one of these.
Speaker:I have uh like your backsides in the photo like, yeah.
Speaker:All right.
Speaker:So I have the photo up right now of uh so basically, it's Jesus being crucified, you know, the typical, what you think of as typical hanging Jesus.
Speaker:But he's in the middle of an apple core.
Speaker:He's in the apple core.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Uh the artist, do you remember what the artist statement was about?
Speaker:I have it right here.
Speaker:OK.
Speaker:Um Go ahead and read it while I have the image up.
Speaker:Oh You have the statement.
Speaker:I have the image of you read the statement of what this image is about.
Speaker:So the title of it is called a paid in full artist statement, which this is what I thought was also surprising.
Speaker:As soon as I read it 20 years in the making, I was like, wow, that's a long time to put that together.
Speaker:Um Painful is OK, I guess.
Speaker:Well, Susan Maury's magnum opus magnum opus.
Speaker:Do you know what that means?
Speaker:It's like best piece.
Speaker:Biggest piece they've done.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:Uh Sorry.
Speaker:The EpiCor literalize the metaphor of the first sin in the Garden of Eden referenced in the Bible.
Speaker:Hm, by Ju, I hate this word.
Speaker:I don't know why, but I do by juxtaposing a larger than life apple core with a life sized figure of Jesus.
Speaker:The scripture.
Speaker:No.
Speaker:Wow.
Speaker:Wow.
Speaker:The sculpture invites its viewers to contemplate connections between the sacrifice of Christ and the modern sins of the world in which capitalism and human greed forecasts apo apocalyptic climate change.
Speaker:And then that goes into a bit of a description of the pieces at nearly 7.5 ft high and £500.
Speaker:The sculptures dominant materials, materials, uh recycled paper and glue represent the importance of intentional action to reverse climate change and save the earth.
Speaker:Yeah, I don't get the climate change thing out of there to be honest, but I am recycling.
Speaker:Sure.
Speaker:I don't know, dude.
Speaker:And I can't wait to read your artist statement though by the way, next year.
Speaker:Oh jeez.
Speaker:All I need is the question, man.
Speaker:Shoot, I guess I have to have some sort of a statement.
Speaker:Huh?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:But, like, and then there's, I mean, I don't know, as far as, like, it comes to having images of Jesus.
Speaker:I've wondered about that because it made me think about when going back into the Knowing God book, how it talks about we shouldn't be having, like, images of God or creating images of God because they can become something that we actually start to worship or, yeah, make them as idols sort of thing.
Speaker:But now Jesus, we at least he was a physical being here.
Speaker:Now, granted, we don't portray him as what he actually looked like.
Speaker:He turned into a though, you know, the, the white Jesus and all that, the very white Jesus.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So like, as far as that goes, it's like, I, I don't care for it, but at least, I guess that's not necessarily a, it's not a bad thing since he was an actual physical being here.
Speaker:We just don't have an actual accurate depiction of what he looked like as far as I know.
Speaker:But uh and I always get like, iffy about stuff like that.
Speaker:And then with some of the other, like, just weird, like stories or like Bible interpretations of Jesus and all this other stuff that you'd see with some of the art stuff.
Speaker:It's just like, oh, uh yeah, there's just some really weird stuff out there.
Speaker:That's stuff I don't, I don't enjoy seeing because it's, I guess it's being presented to people and people are gonna believe in, well, some people are gonna believe it and take it as truth and it's like, no.
Speaker:Hm.
Speaker:Make me sad.
Speaker:Make you sad.
Speaker:Huh?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Fair enough.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:But so going through all that art.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:It made me think of the fact that whether you're an artist making physical art like that.
Speaker:Mhm.
Speaker:Um, whether it be a painting, a sculpture, uh whatever an artist that's writes books or poems, I think of someone that we both know who is in the realm of trying to be a publisher and all that of books.
Speaker:Sure.
Speaker:If you think for a second, you'll figure out who it is.
Speaker:Maybe.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Or uh an artist in the realm of music.
Speaker:Uh artist.
Speaker:We know a few of those who want to do music stuff.
Speaker:Uh artists, like some people, we've considered this an art thing as well.
Speaker:There's a responsibility there.
Speaker:Mhm.
Speaker:And that responsibility not only uh goes into the message of what it is and people go, the medium is the message.
Speaker:Yes, but the message is also the message.
Speaker:If that makes sense, the medium is the message.
Speaker:Yeah, that, that's a common phrase in the art world.
Speaker:I guess you could say, I guess I'm more cultured than I know for real.
Speaker:Where, where you know the they say the medium is the message.
Speaker:In other words, sometimes what you make that art out of is part of the message that it's, it, it's trying to convey in this case of the Apple core thing, right?
Speaker:Because the fact it's recycled paper that's gonna be part of that recycled message deal.
Speaker:Ok.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:So the message is the message, the medium is the message, you know, obviously like thinking about music, right?
Speaker:If you have a very depressing song and you're delivering it in a very upbeat py way pretty common.
Speaker:It is kind of common but it, it might but pretty common.
Speaker:But I was like, I was like, where's the cat?
Speaker:Yeah, that was pretty, that was pretty bad.
Speaker:That was pretty feline.
Speaker:Yeah, it was anyways back, you know, back to that as artists there is that responsibility there in that the art that you create, this goes back also to like the words that you use and the words that you say to people, right?
Speaker:In a way that's your extension of words, whether it be written word or not.
Speaker:So even for example, the paint is the paintings that were there, right?
Speaker:The there's no necessarily any word words, but there are words conveyed through emotion and thought and feeling of imagery.
Speaker:And yeah, but that imagery is what conveys those emotions and those thoughts and that in you and it makes Aaron actually think I know about the divine woman, remember the one like the scent shot or whatever it was like the the ladies or it was one of those like stores that we walked into to get into an area of more art.
Speaker:And they're just like, yeah, check this out.
Speaker:It's like it's image of the divine woman, the divine feminine, divine, feminine.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So, so that's it.
Speaker:I was like, oh, I had to take first, I was like, what she saw, I was out of Left Feld.
Speaker:Um Wait, hold on artists no matter the medium are responsible for the message and what they convey.
Speaker:Mhm And sometimes those messages that we convey are great and they're right and they're good and people would debate like, oh, can you do these things?
Speaker:Like, for example?
Speaker:OK.
Speaker:Uh I'll do this real quick.
Speaker:I'm taking a journalism class actually.
Speaker:Oh, yeah.
Speaker:Yeah, I'll have my press cards at the end.
Speaker:So all those places where it says press only I could actually go to.
Speaker:Um why are you going?
Speaker:Oh, I don't know, keep going.
Speaker:Um But anyways, it, it, we going through the ethics of journalism portion.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Mhm.
Speaker:I find I disagree with them on that because essentially it's relativism.
Speaker:He goes, what is right in, in moral, in journalism is what makes you feel good at the end.
Speaker:In other words, there's no objective, right, wrong thing.
Speaker:It's, are you doing this right?
Speaker:He's like, for example, if you need to lie and mislead a source to get the story because the story is more important then you do that.
Speaker:He's like, it's a bouncing act between the damage done to the source and the importance of the story.
Speaker:And I'm like, I can't buy into that.
Speaker:OK.
Speaker:No.
Speaker:Iiii I can't full, full stop.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:There is an objective morality that we live by, especially as a follower of Christ.
Speaker:We know that because it's contained, oh, I don't know the Bible.
Speaker:Uh It kind of has that little, that little bit of data.
Speaker:OK?
Speaker:It tells us what we should and shouldn't be doing.
Speaker:And then the thing that doesn't explicitly state like the Bible doesn't talk about if you're a journalist.
Speaker:OK.
Speaker:But it gives you rules and guidance on how to live and those things apply to other things that you do.
Speaker:OK.
Speaker:Same applies for art.
Speaker:We're, we're ultimately responsible not to the people viewing the art, we're responsible to them, but that's not the ultimate responsible responsibility.
Speaker:We're ultimately responsible to God about it and you can go well, it, I did this because of blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker:But did you do it in a way that is defaming to God?
Speaker:Is he, are you doing in a way that God says, no, this is, I, I want to spew this, you know, God says you want to spew it out because it's evil.
Speaker:God, you know, there, there are ways you can do it and that's why, you know, II I find it a hard bounce and this is me.
Speaker:Ok.
Speaker:And I get me and you are on different planes on this right now.
Speaker:Aaron's, like, going through his head, like, 00, what I know where this is going, you know?
Speaker:II, I find it very hard.
Speaker:Like, if I, let's say an artist of some sort, be a music, whatever they go.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Christian.
Speaker:And then they let off a flurry of expletives.
Speaker:It's tough.
Speaker:It's tough.
Speaker:It's really tough.
Speaker:It's really hard.
Speaker:And, and I, I, I, I get it, we're human.
Speaker:There has to be grace extended at the same time.
Speaker:We are ultimately responsible for the message that we put out in our art and we're responsible to God and how we represent him in that.
Speaker:And again, I understand that and no one's gonna be perfect.
Speaker:100% of the time there's gonna be screw ups, there's gonna be failures and it, in, in those times when the failure occurs, guess what if the person is repe repetitive, you know, repents in that or is like, I'm sorry, I shouldn't have done that.
Speaker:I screwed up, give them grace.
Speaker:And in that, ultimately, that's not for us to forgive or not.
Speaker:That, that, that's all guys apart, you know.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Ok.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:In the terms of eternity and that, you know, in, in the terms of interpersonal relationships, yeah, you kind of have to extend that grace and forgive interpersonally, but that's not necessarily going to be the same as uh an, an eternally soul thing.
Speaker:So I look at some of these things now, I'm not saying that any of these people, these artists like the Adiba Daddy, the God has no gender person.
Speaker:I'm not saying any of those people are claiming to be Christian, but they are still going to be ultimately held responsible for the messages that they are promoting and then the messages that they are putting out for others to ingest, you know, II I look at like um heck our local band here.
Speaker:Big band skillet.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Remember they were involved with um was it the shack that movie?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Remember that.
Speaker:And then there's some controversy about that.
Speaker:Yeah, I remember that a little bit.
Speaker:What did John do after I did it within the past year?
Speaker:I have no idea.
Speaker:He did a video where he said we as a band publicly repent of ever being involved with this.
Speaker:Oh, really?
Speaker:Yeah, he goes, he goes, we weren't and he goes out of ignorance.
Speaker:We didn't know everything about it.
Speaker:He goes now that we've kind of taken a step back and looked at it.
Speaker:He's like we should not have partnered with them.
Speaker:That was the wrong thing to do.
Speaker:We should not have done anything with them.
Speaker:Wow.
Speaker:Well, good for him.
Speaker:So like he's not, he's not pulling the music videos down because he's like, hey, this is something that happened contractually.
Speaker:They had, they did him and all that, right?
Speaker:But he's like, publicly, he's like, no, we should not have done it.
Speaker:We're not going to do that.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And that's the thing.
Speaker:That's, that's a good example to follow if you put out a message.
Speaker:Um Rosea Butterfield, another person you probably don't know her at all.
Speaker:Um, a completely other topic.
Speaker:For example, she is an artist and when I say artist, she's a book author, macarthur artist, artist, blah, blah blah, right?
Speaker:Uh She made a statement, this was a couple years ago where the question came up to her of like should and there's a whole back story with her.
Speaker:So you want no more.
Speaker:Go look at her.
Speaker:She has a great story.
Speaker:She's like Christopher Yuan in in same kind of story similarity there, right?
Speaker:But the the question came to her was like, let's say a fellow believer in Christ says my pronouns should be this or this should I, what should I do with them?
Speaker:And she said, oh, just use what they want, right?
Speaker:Well, then about a year ago she came back and said, you know what I was wrong, I repent of this.
Speaker:I and she gave why she, you know, was because ultimately she realized that she was responsible for that message she was putting out because others were listening to it.
Speaker:Others were making ideas and decisions on it and that's a heavy burden to do anytime of any art that you do, including afternoon hangover.
Speaker:Uh, yeah, you didn't see that quick turn to there, did you?
Speaker:Oh, it was on my mind.
Speaker:Actually.
Speaker:It's kind of funny.
Speaker:You just spoke it out into the world.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Don't give me that evil stare.
Speaker:S, but, but I mean, but it's true and I'm not, I'm not saying that, I'm not saying that you're gonna be perfect.
Speaker:I'm gonna be perfect at this at all.
Speaker:There's gonna be missteps, there's gonna be screw ups.
Speaker:But that's ultimately why we are told to be involved in, you know, like the local church to grow and to do things better.
Speaker:You know, we see politicians screw up and mess up all the time and, and all these people pile on them.
Speaker:And then, and my only one statement is like, if they claim to be Christians, like, you know, what this needs to be handled by the local um congregation that they're hopefully going with, you know, going to and attending, you know, II, I personally and I talked about this um two episodes ago when I did a solo episode while you were getting better from being sick.
Speaker:I am not a fan of Lindell at all, but the stuff that he does and, and that, but I recognize that there might be some things going on and I was like, I hope his congregation eventually, you know, if he could go into a congregation, I don't know if he's going to church or not.
Speaker:Uh, he claims to be a Christian that I don't know.
Speaker:And that's ok.
Speaker:I, I don't need to know all this but I hope that someone from his congregation goes, hey, look, we need to talk about some of this stuff that's going on.
Speaker:But that's a whole other conversation.
Speaker:Go listen to two weeks ago.
Speaker:I talked about it.
Speaker:It was Aaron wasn't here to go.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Um, I talked about go, go listen.
Speaker:Uh, but, but as artists, whatever that art that you do is and there's a lot of ways to do art.
Speaker:So don't think, oh, I don't paint.
Speaker:I don't sculpt.
Speaker:I don't do music.
Speaker:I don't write poetry.
Speaker:I don't write stories.
Speaker:I don't do podcasts.
Speaker:I don't sing.
Speaker:I don't do this.
Speaker:I don't do this.
Speaker:There's a lot of ways to do artistic expression and not everyone loves arts and artistic expressions.
Speaker:Not everyone.
Speaker:I get it.
Speaker:If some guys will go.
Speaker:Well, I can't do art expressions because they'll make me sissy.
Speaker:Yeah, pretty much.
Speaker:Is that your thought?
Speaker:I was like, should I bring up the photo of you trying to take a photo of the berries on the Fs while we were in my garden?
Speaker:Quiet Use and they're trying to frame it just right.
Speaker:And yeah, they all sucked.
Speaker:And your natural framing abilities, which there was one or two I think I actually liked out of the however many.
Speaker:Oh, I didn't take many, I'd say I took two berry ones and both of them.
Speaker:I like of mine because the Boca is just right.
Speaker:The book, what the Boca?
Speaker:Yeah, that's an artsy, artsy term for like, um, the like e essentially, like how blurry the background is compared to the front subjects.
Speaker:OK.
Speaker:Like one I actually use as my work wallpaper now.
Speaker:Nice.
Speaker:I like it enough.
Speaker:But Mr Archie Farcy over here who has natural framing abilities, supposedly better than my natural framing abilities.
Speaker:We haven't sat back and compared for proof, here's a photo of Aaron trying to take a photo of, of a plant.
Speaker:I have it up on the screen right now for all of you to enjoy because Aaron realizes that he is an artist and as an artist, he is responsible for the message.
Speaker:So what?
Speaker:Thank you for joining.
Speaker:I don't write it.
Speaker:I am responsible for it.
Speaker:You say it, you're responsible.
Speaker:I don't, but I don't say it.
Speaker:Well, thank you for joining us on this week's episode.
Speaker:We'll catch you next week when Aaron is going to read part of the Bible to us like a pirate.
